Socata TB20GT v2.0 for FS9

ok I've worked out the prob. When you lift off push down on the stick till
you see the horizon and hold the top of the panel on the horizon line, there
will prob a early torque roll to catch which is not a problem. It feels as
if you are flying level but watch the altimeter it is climbing quite
rapidly. Go to Virtual cockpit and the nose is pointing quite high and you
feel as if have to bring it down. Because of the centre column blocking
view I was taking off on 1 seat raise which accentuated the sensation. So
either take off using virtual cockpit or use 1 seat lower view to make it
seem more like a tail dragger. This will give a more accurate
representation on lift off and becomes easy peasy.
Don


"donbutts" <donbutts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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throttle
it,
consider

Hi Don,

On yer, Mate! :-)

Regards,
John
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there
as
you
knots,

Ah ha - the ole RTFM trick! (;->))
You're right, I just hopped in and took off after minimum inDOCtrination,
doing an impression of a Dolphin until figuring out the trim was TOUCHY!
I'll do as you suggest next time in it, the traditional click on the edge of
the panel and drag it around didn't work, so figured I was stuck with a
billboard. <G>
Thanks for the feedback!
Don

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Oscar wrote:


You are most welcome. I cannot believe my good fortune at being able to
communicate with my bologna! **<VBG!>

As I mentioned in a previous post, you can "slide the 2d panel down" to provide
a better outside view, but I deliberately spent a LOT of time making the VC
cockpit visually appealing, as well as functional. Note also that all of the
various sub-panels may be displayed in VC mode by use of the Shift-x keys (where
x is a number), in case you need a better view of instruments.

As a challenge, I just completed a flight from KGYY to KATL - almost completly
hands off! Not once did I touch the yoke until reaching DH on final, when I
switched the AP off and hand flew the TB20GT to the numbers.

For those using joysticks, try making a minor adjustment in the aircraft.cfg to
these parameters:

Cruise_lift_scalar=1.0
Parasite_drag_scalar=0.70
Induced_drag_scalar=1.0
Elevator_effectiveness=1.0 <= this is set to 100%, try lowering to 0.8 and
adjust as needed for your comfort zone.
Aileron_effectiveness=1
Rudder_effectiveness=1.0
Pitch_stability=3.0
Roll_stability=1.0
Yaw_stability=3.0
Elevator_trim_effectiveness=3.0 <= this is set to 300%, try lowering to 1.0 if
you find the trim too quick
Aileron_trim_effectiveness=1.0
Rudder_trim_effectiveness=1.0

Bill

**Note for those readers who suffer from "commercial deprivation," the above
jest is in reference to the commercial jingle that goes, "My bologna has a first
name, it's O S C A R..."
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John Grabowski wrote:


If you recall, I released the original with two selectable versions. I combined the
two into one version in an attempt to better replicate the feel of the real a/c based
on my own experiences, as well as feedback from a group of TB20GT owners who've
embraced the model.

It truly isn't "difficult to fly" as much as it is "different to fly." Without
variety in a/c behavior and panels, we may as well just have one a/c. It's sort of
like oatmeal; no matter how you "dress it up" with other stuff, it still *tastes* like
oatmeal...

In "Real Life," even consecutively built models of the same a/c from the factory have
their own distinguishing characteristics and flying quirks.

My best advice is this: use only your thumb and forefinger to lightly grasp the very
top of the joystick (or the palm of your hands if using a yoke) to make very small and
controlled inputs to the flight controls. Place your joystick in a position where
your arm can be supported at all times. Keep in mind the principles of "leverage;"
the shorter the moment arm, the smaller the input area. That is why "gripping the
stick" is discouraged when using short, desktop yokes. You're effectively moving the
moment arm to the *bottom* of the stick, and even the slightest movement will be
correspondingly exaggerated.

As a test to confirm the above, tape a yardstick (approximately 1 m for the metrically
challenged!) to the stick, place it on the floor between your legs, and hold it in
place with your feet. This will extend the moment arm by a factor of 500% and you
will notice an immediate difference in the elevator/aileron sensitivity! There's a
very good reason why stick-equipped a/c have 2' to 3' length, after all! Of course,
for maximum realism, one should use a yoke, since this a/c uses one rather than a
stick...

Also, you simply *must* master proper trim control if you expect to fly this a/c...

Bill
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donbutts wrote:


Reduce your trim to delay rotation until at least 80 kts if on a short field,
delay rotation to 100 kts if the rwny is at least 3,000'

Bill
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Bill Leaming wrote:

Yes, but there isn't enough animation behind it of the outside. What's
that command to expand the size of the outside window?



John

--
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radio aren't what you'd call "critical thinkers." They don't call
themselves "Dittoheads" for nothing. --Fox Attorney Dori Hanswirth.

"Bill Leaming" <n4gix@comcast.net> wrote in message
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knots,
field,

Gotya thanks. I'm collating all your comments Bill for the purposes of an
extra 'read me" which I will attach to the aircraft file. By the time this
thread is finished I should have a step by step flight instruction from the
initial aircraft check through to the shaky knee walk back to the
clubhouse.
:-)
Don

John Grabowski wrote:


Well, you can simply "grab" the lower edge of the "outside" and slide it down also!

Bill
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Bill:

Thanks for the great airplane, I have learned to fly it by keeping a very
light touch on the stick.

Great job, very, very nice.

Dashii

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BIG panel is