For Gods Sake!!!???

Is that the one by Kazunori Ito? If so, in the description of this
FREE aircraft it clearly states "The panel is not included in this file".
Ill-considered comments such as yours, Peter, have been a major factor in
the decisions of several prominent FREEware designers decisions to either
stop designing for FREE or leave the hobby completely.
And your comment about MelJet is what my kids would refer to as a
"cheap shot". Do you have any concept of the magnituide of the contribution
Mel Rafi has made to this hobby? And, for FREE!
Your annoyance level gets no sympathy from me. If you're that bothered
by it all why not just avoid FREEware altogether.

Trip

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"PeterT" <oops@nota.what> wrote in message
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First of all I apologize to Peter, didn't mean to get out of line and if
there was a way to edit my original post I would have right after I posted
it. I just really get annoyed when I hear that kind of attitude towards
freeware developers. Instead of posting a message complaining because the
freeware developer didn't include a panel, it would have been nice to see a
post that went something like this:

"Hey guys, I just downloaded this really cool Electric Lightning from
FSDome.com. Anyone know where I can get a panel for it?"

Isn't that much better than: "What is it with FS9 and the up and coming
designers"

People need to realize that freeware developers spend 100's of hours on a
lot of these addons so you can download them for free. Constructive
criticism is fine, but need to be aware that too much pointless criticism
has turned a lot of freeware developers away or turned them into payware
developers.

I learned very early on that people just like to complain. My experience
has been that for every email I get from someone telling me they appreciate
things I've uploaded, I get 1 or 2 from people with some stupid complaint.
More often than not, the complaint has nothing to do with my design even.
I'm sure any other freeware developer will tell you the same.

BTW, my name is Matt Fox, just do a search at AVSIM and you'll see all the
stuff I've contributed over the years, going back to 1999. Not to mention
all the time I spend running the AFCAD Dept. at ProjectAI.

Matt Fox

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Welcome back Trip!! (I might have missed any previous post)?? In fact, I
often thank particular designers or make sure they get credit through this
forum as I'm sure it gets back to them. The work involved is horrendous and
we carry on like spoilt kids if a patch is considered required!!
Have to smile though. Trip left this group because of all the in-fighting
and back he comes er... fighting?? Seriously the group went through a bad
patch where vulgar insults were commonplace.
Don


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"PeterT" <oops@nota.what> wrote in message
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havn't had time to get into it Peter. In fact I now only do a cursory look
through this NG these days.. more like a lurker. Hope to join in and
contribute more shortly. I'm keeping that Meljet and hope to modify it (or
pinch some of the views for a starter). :-)
By the way,in this NG it's politically incorrect to flame a freeby designer.
There is overpriced payware out there of a lower standard to sharpen your
claws on if you must.
Cheers
Butts

Hi Matt,

No worries, mate. It happens, and we all move on , and something
constructive usually comes out of it all!

I'm off to Avsim later to have a look at your "stuff" - sounds really
interesting. I promise not to email you! :-))

Regards,
John

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appreciate

You know me Don - I always tell it the way I see it. Didn't mean to
pick a fight but putting a knock on the freeware guys has always been a hot
spot with me. I'm not actually "back", I'm just in-country for a month or
so and then it's off to parts unknown again. It's good to hear that things
have calmed down a bit. I'll be more tactful in the future :-)

Trip

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file".
in
either

> You know me Don - I always tell it the way I see it.........I'll be
more tactful in the future :-)

isn't that a bob each way??


your'e off on another another trip trip?? Marco Polo the 2nd. ;-)

Best of luck.. great to hear from you again
Cheers
Don




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bad

I think that comment was uncalled for. Especially since it was
clearly stated that there was no panel included with the aircraft.

And since it's free, the designer has given up enough of his time just
designing the plane. It is quite possible that he was waiting for a
reaction to the plane, before putting in time to design a cockpit.
Well, with reactions like that, he would probably scrap that idea, and
apply his skills somewhere else.

If I am not happy with the panel that comes with a freeware aircraft,
I search for the correct one, and 99% of the time I find it. Who's to
complain when you are not paying?.

Bob

For those of you who read thids under 'DAD' here is the properly
signed version


I have already posted my apology to the group elswhere but I will
repeat it here.

Matt - your sentiments might be listened to if better expressed.

The rest of you are more than right and I now feel the heel I probably
would have called myself if I had bothered to think.#

For the rest of the comments 'I am' learning to do aircraft - but I am
totally non technical in the artistic and programming stage. I can
build and install a computer but I couldn't draw one to save my
cobblers. 3DMax and AFDS2 I am finding so complicated it is driving me
round the bend but I will persevere. The SDK's - I have just
downloaded a few and will be trying them out (but I bet I become a
cropper before too long).

I suppose I am getting so spoiled by the brilliant aeroplanes that it
is possible to download that when one comes across one that does not
live up to promise (especially if you have searched for moons to find
an example) it is a shame. I must now learn how to manipulate the way
a plane flys 'cos this lightning is not quite right (in my opinion)!

Anyway - apologies once more and I will try to curb my criticsm until
I know better.